Post by TheFirebrand on Mar 1, 2012 12:01:34 GMT -6
By Michael F. Winskie:
1 TIMOTHY 2:11-15 SAYS:
" LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH ALL SUBJECTION.
BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, BUT TO BE IN SILENCE. FOR ADAM WAS FIRST FORMED, THEN EVE.AND ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED, BUT THE WOMAN BEING DECIEVED WAS IN THE TRANSGRESSION. NOTWITHSTANDING SHE SHALL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING, IF THEY CONTINUE IN FAITH AND CHARITY AND HOLINESS WITH SOBRIETY."
LET US TAKE THIS VERSE-BY-VERSE AND WORD-BY-WORD, IN SOME CASES, KEYING ON SOME SIGNIFICANT WORDS AND/OR PHRASES.
THE FIRST WORD IS SIGNIFICANT. THE WORD "LET" IMPLIES A CHOICE TO BE MADE BY THE HEARER OF PAULS STATEMENTS. JUST AS JESUS SAYS "LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED" (GIVING US THE CHOICE TO HAVE A TROUBLED HEART OR, THROUGH SUBMISSION TO HIS WILL, NOT TO HAVE A TROUBLED HEART.), PAUL GIVES US A CHOICE HERE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH OUR WOMAN BOTH IN AND OUT OF THE CHURCH IN A GODLY MANNER. HE SAYS TO "LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE, WITH ALL SUBJECTION."
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOES IT MEAN THAT WOMEN CANNOT SPEAK IN CHURCH AT ALL, AS SOME HAVE TAUGHT? WHAT IS PAUL SAYING?
THE WORD "LEARN" HERE MEANS WHAT IT SAYS, “TO LEARN IN ANY WAY”. SOME CULTURES TEACH THAT WOMEN ARE NOT TO BE TAUGHT AND THEREFORE ARE TO RECIEVE NO SCHOOLING. THE BIBLE SAYS HERE, HOWEVER, TO LET THEM LEARN, BUT WITH A CERTAIN ATTITUDE. THEY ARE TO LEARN IN SILENCE. THE WORD "SILENCE" HERE MEANS, " TO DESIST FROM BUSTLE". IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT SPEAK OR ASK QUESTIONS. RATHER, THEY ARE TO REDUCE THEIR ACTIVITY TO A POINT THAT THEIR POSTURE IS ONE THAT IS CONDUSIVE TO LEARNING. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT OR PREACHED. IT FURTHER STATES THAT THEY ARE TO DO THIS "IN SUBJECTION". THE WORD SUBJECTION HERE MEANS "SUBORDINATION". THEY ARE TO BE LISTENING AND LEARNING THE LESSON WITH AN ATTITUDE THAT SAYS THAT THEY ARE, AT THAT MOMENT, SUBORDINATE TO THE TEACHER/PREACHER AND, ULTIMATELY, TO THE GOD BEHIND THE MAN OF GOD.
THE NEXT VERSE IS THE REAL MEAT OF THIS WHOLE SECTION OF SCRIPTURE. "BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN". FIRST OF ALL, THE WORD,”SUFFER” HERE MEANS, "TO TURN OVER (TRANSFER), I.E.ALLOW".
IN OTHER WORDS, PAUL IS SAYING THAT HE, AS AN APOSTLE OF GOD, DOES NOT TRANSFER A MANS AUTHORITY TO TEACH, NOR DOES HE ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH MEN. IT GOES ON TO SAY HE DOESN'T ALLOW A WOMAN TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN.THE TERM "USURP AUTHORITY" HERE MEANS " TO ACT OF ONESELF OR DOMINATE".
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS VERSE READS: "BUT I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH, OR TO ACT OF HERSELF OR DOMINATE THE MAN".
SOME HAVE SAID, AND RIGHTLY SO, THAT THIS VERSE REFERS TO A MARRIAGE AND IS STATING THE FACT THAT A WOMAN CANNOT HAVE AUTHORITY OVER HER HUSBAND.
BUT LETS BE LOGICAL HERE. IF GOD DOES NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER HER MAN AND TEACH HIM, WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT SHE CAN TEACH OR HAVE AUTHORITY OVER OTHER MEN? IF SHE CAN'T BOSS HER MAN, SHE CERTAINLY CAN'T BOSS OTHER MEN!
IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT A WOMAN SHOULD NEVER HAVE AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN IN ANY WAY! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BROTHER WINSKIE?
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. A WOMAN SHOULD NOT HOLD ANY POSITION IN THE CHURCH THAT, BY DEFINITION, GIVES HER AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN! THIS WOULD INCLUDE TEACHING ADULT SUNDAY SCHOOL OR YOUTH (13 OR OVER), IF MALES WERE IN THE CLASS. IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE CHURCH SECRETARY, IF THE JOB INCLUDES PAYING BILLS, FOR HE WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY CONTROLS THE CHURCH, NOT TO MENTION THE BIBLICAL MANDATE THAT A WOMAN BE A KEEPER AT HOME (IF THE SECRETARY JOB IS AN ACTUAL JOB AT THE CHURCH!) A WOMAN CANNOT BE THE SUNDAY SCHOOL SUPERINTENDANT, AS THIS WOULD GIVE HER AUTHORITY OVER MEN.
NEiTHER CAN SHE BE THE MUSIC DIRECTOR, IF THERE ARE MALE SINGERS OR MUSICIANS. SHE CANNOT BE ON THE CHURCH BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SHE CANNOT PREACH TO MEN. SHE CANNOT BE A DEACON, PASTOR, ASSOCIATE PASTOR, CO-PASTOR, OR ANY OTHER POSITION THAT GIVES HER AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN! NIETHER CAN ANY MAN GIVE HER HIS AUTHORITY TO USE, FOR A TIME, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TEACHING OR PREACHING TO MEN. WHY? BECAUSE AUTHORITY IS GOD-GIVEN AND IS NOT MANS AUTHORITY TO LOAN OUT FOR A TIME!
IF ANY MAN WHO ALLOWS A WOMAN TO TEACH OR PREACH TO HIS CONGREGATION IS IN ERROR. THIS IS THE MISTAKE ADAM MADE. HE ALLOWED EVE TO HAVE AUTHORITY BY NOT EXCERCISING HIS OWN!
THIS OPENED THE DOOR FOR SATAN TO STEAL MAN'S AUTHORITY, AND HE DID IT! WHEN HE WAS TEMPTING JESUS IN THE DESERT, HE TOLD JESUS THAT IF HE WERE TO BOW TO SATAN, HE WOULD GIVE HIM ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH. JESUS DID NOT CORRECT SATANS STATEMENT OF OWNERSHIP! HE REBUKED HIS CLAIM OF WORSHIP, BUT NOT OF EARTHLY OWNERSHIP! WHY? BECAUSE WHEN ADAM ALLOWED EVE AUTHORITY SHE DID NOT HAVE, HE LOST HIS AUTHORITY TO SATAN! IF A PASTOR ALLOWS A WOMAN TO TEACH OR PREACH TO MEN IN HIS CHURCH, HE IS ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND! WHY DO YOU THINK 90+% OF ALL CHURCH PROBLEMS ARE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY CAUSED BY WOMEN?
I FURTHER BELIEVE THAT A WOMAN, NO MATTER HOW GODLY HER IDEALS, SHOULD NEVER HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE, BE IN POSITIONS OF MANAGEMENT OVER MEN, OR VOTE IN GENERAL ELECTIONS (EITHER FOR PUBLIC OR CHURCH ELECTIONS) AS ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD PUT HER EITHER IN AUTHORITY OVER A MAN OR WOULD CAUSE HER TO NEGATE A MAN'S GOD-GIVEN AUTHORITY!
I REALIZE THAT THIS SOUNDS HARSH AND THAT MANY WILL CALL ME A MALE shauvinist PIG! I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO DEMEAN WOMAN IN ANY WAY! I, IN NO WAY, AM ADVOCATING THE OLD AXIUM OF "BAREFOOT, PREGNANT, AND IN THE KITCHEN". THERE ARE MANY BIBLICAL THINGS THAT WOMAN CAN, AND SHOULD DO. (Mentioned Later)
RATHER, I AM MERELY POINTING OUT HOW FAR AWAY FROM BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY WE HAVE FALLEN, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ONE AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, READ FOR YOURSELVES HOW, WHEN ISRAEL HAD KEPT SINNING AGAINST GOD, HOW HIS JUDGEMENT WAS SENT AGAINST THEM IN THE FORM OF TWO THINGS: 1) THE GODLY MALE LEADERSHIP WAS, FOR THE MOST PART, TAKEN AWAY AND 2) IT WAS REPLACED BY A SOCIETY RUN BY CHILDREN AND WOMEN!
READ THE PRONOUNCED JUDGEMENT OF OUR RIGHTEOUS GOD, AS FOUND IN ISAIAH 3:1- 4:1. READ IT FOR YOURSELVES, LOOK AT OUR SOCIETY TODAY, AND WEEP TEARS OF REPENTANCE BEFORE A HOLY GOD WHO HAS PRONOUNCED THE SAME JUDGEMENT AGAINST THE U.S.!
1 TIMOTHY 2:11-15 SAYS:
" LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH ALL SUBJECTION.
BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, BUT TO BE IN SILENCE. FOR ADAM WAS FIRST FORMED, THEN EVE.AND ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED, BUT THE WOMAN BEING DECIEVED WAS IN THE TRANSGRESSION. NOTWITHSTANDING SHE SHALL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING, IF THEY CONTINUE IN FAITH AND CHARITY AND HOLINESS WITH SOBRIETY."
LET US TAKE THIS VERSE-BY-VERSE AND WORD-BY-WORD, IN SOME CASES, KEYING ON SOME SIGNIFICANT WORDS AND/OR PHRASES.
THE FIRST WORD IS SIGNIFICANT. THE WORD "LET" IMPLIES A CHOICE TO BE MADE BY THE HEARER OF PAULS STATEMENTS. JUST AS JESUS SAYS "LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED" (GIVING US THE CHOICE TO HAVE A TROUBLED HEART OR, THROUGH SUBMISSION TO HIS WILL, NOT TO HAVE A TROUBLED HEART.), PAUL GIVES US A CHOICE HERE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH OUR WOMAN BOTH IN AND OUT OF THE CHURCH IN A GODLY MANNER. HE SAYS TO "LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE, WITH ALL SUBJECTION."
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOES IT MEAN THAT WOMEN CANNOT SPEAK IN CHURCH AT ALL, AS SOME HAVE TAUGHT? WHAT IS PAUL SAYING?
THE WORD "LEARN" HERE MEANS WHAT IT SAYS, “TO LEARN IN ANY WAY”. SOME CULTURES TEACH THAT WOMEN ARE NOT TO BE TAUGHT AND THEREFORE ARE TO RECIEVE NO SCHOOLING. THE BIBLE SAYS HERE, HOWEVER, TO LET THEM LEARN, BUT WITH A CERTAIN ATTITUDE. THEY ARE TO LEARN IN SILENCE. THE WORD "SILENCE" HERE MEANS, " TO DESIST FROM BUSTLE". IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT SPEAK OR ASK QUESTIONS. RATHER, THEY ARE TO REDUCE THEIR ACTIVITY TO A POINT THAT THEIR POSTURE IS ONE THAT IS CONDUSIVE TO LEARNING. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT OR PREACHED. IT FURTHER STATES THAT THEY ARE TO DO THIS "IN SUBJECTION". THE WORD SUBJECTION HERE MEANS "SUBORDINATION". THEY ARE TO BE LISTENING AND LEARNING THE LESSON WITH AN ATTITUDE THAT SAYS THAT THEY ARE, AT THAT MOMENT, SUBORDINATE TO THE TEACHER/PREACHER AND, ULTIMATELY, TO THE GOD BEHIND THE MAN OF GOD.
THE NEXT VERSE IS THE REAL MEAT OF THIS WHOLE SECTION OF SCRIPTURE. "BUT I SUFFER NOT A WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN". FIRST OF ALL, THE WORD,”SUFFER” HERE MEANS, "TO TURN OVER (TRANSFER), I.E.ALLOW".
IN OTHER WORDS, PAUL IS SAYING THAT HE, AS AN APOSTLE OF GOD, DOES NOT TRANSFER A MANS AUTHORITY TO TEACH, NOR DOES HE ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH MEN. IT GOES ON TO SAY HE DOESN'T ALLOW A WOMAN TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN.THE TERM "USURP AUTHORITY" HERE MEANS " TO ACT OF ONESELF OR DOMINATE".
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS VERSE READS: "BUT I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH, OR TO ACT OF HERSELF OR DOMINATE THE MAN".
SOME HAVE SAID, AND RIGHTLY SO, THAT THIS VERSE REFERS TO A MARRIAGE AND IS STATING THE FACT THAT A WOMAN CANNOT HAVE AUTHORITY OVER HER HUSBAND.
BUT LETS BE LOGICAL HERE. IF GOD DOES NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER HER MAN AND TEACH HIM, WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT SHE CAN TEACH OR HAVE AUTHORITY OVER OTHER MEN? IF SHE CAN'T BOSS HER MAN, SHE CERTAINLY CAN'T BOSS OTHER MEN!
IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT A WOMAN SHOULD NEVER HAVE AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN IN ANY WAY! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BROTHER WINSKIE?
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. A WOMAN SHOULD NOT HOLD ANY POSITION IN THE CHURCH THAT, BY DEFINITION, GIVES HER AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN! THIS WOULD INCLUDE TEACHING ADULT SUNDAY SCHOOL OR YOUTH (13 OR OVER), IF MALES WERE IN THE CLASS. IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE CHURCH SECRETARY, IF THE JOB INCLUDES PAYING BILLS, FOR HE WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY CONTROLS THE CHURCH, NOT TO MENTION THE BIBLICAL MANDATE THAT A WOMAN BE A KEEPER AT HOME (IF THE SECRETARY JOB IS AN ACTUAL JOB AT THE CHURCH!) A WOMAN CANNOT BE THE SUNDAY SCHOOL SUPERINTENDANT, AS THIS WOULD GIVE HER AUTHORITY OVER MEN.
NEiTHER CAN SHE BE THE MUSIC DIRECTOR, IF THERE ARE MALE SINGERS OR MUSICIANS. SHE CANNOT BE ON THE CHURCH BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SHE CANNOT PREACH TO MEN. SHE CANNOT BE A DEACON, PASTOR, ASSOCIATE PASTOR, CO-PASTOR, OR ANY OTHER POSITION THAT GIVES HER AUTHORITY OVER ANY MAN! NIETHER CAN ANY MAN GIVE HER HIS AUTHORITY TO USE, FOR A TIME, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TEACHING OR PREACHING TO MEN. WHY? BECAUSE AUTHORITY IS GOD-GIVEN AND IS NOT MANS AUTHORITY TO LOAN OUT FOR A TIME!
IF ANY MAN WHO ALLOWS A WOMAN TO TEACH OR PREACH TO HIS CONGREGATION IS IN ERROR. THIS IS THE MISTAKE ADAM MADE. HE ALLOWED EVE TO HAVE AUTHORITY BY NOT EXCERCISING HIS OWN!
THIS OPENED THE DOOR FOR SATAN TO STEAL MAN'S AUTHORITY, AND HE DID IT! WHEN HE WAS TEMPTING JESUS IN THE DESERT, HE TOLD JESUS THAT IF HE WERE TO BOW TO SATAN, HE WOULD GIVE HIM ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH. JESUS DID NOT CORRECT SATANS STATEMENT OF OWNERSHIP! HE REBUKED HIS CLAIM OF WORSHIP, BUT NOT OF EARTHLY OWNERSHIP! WHY? BECAUSE WHEN ADAM ALLOWED EVE AUTHORITY SHE DID NOT HAVE, HE LOST HIS AUTHORITY TO SATAN! IF A PASTOR ALLOWS A WOMAN TO TEACH OR PREACH TO MEN IN HIS CHURCH, HE IS ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND! WHY DO YOU THINK 90+% OF ALL CHURCH PROBLEMS ARE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY CAUSED BY WOMEN?
I FURTHER BELIEVE THAT A WOMAN, NO MATTER HOW GODLY HER IDEALS, SHOULD NEVER HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE, BE IN POSITIONS OF MANAGEMENT OVER MEN, OR VOTE IN GENERAL ELECTIONS (EITHER FOR PUBLIC OR CHURCH ELECTIONS) AS ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD PUT HER EITHER IN AUTHORITY OVER A MAN OR WOULD CAUSE HER TO NEGATE A MAN'S GOD-GIVEN AUTHORITY!
I REALIZE THAT THIS SOUNDS HARSH AND THAT MANY WILL CALL ME A MALE shauvinist PIG! I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO DEMEAN WOMAN IN ANY WAY! I, IN NO WAY, AM ADVOCATING THE OLD AXIUM OF "BAREFOOT, PREGNANT, AND IN THE KITCHEN". THERE ARE MANY BIBLICAL THINGS THAT WOMAN CAN, AND SHOULD DO. (Mentioned Later)
RATHER, I AM MERELY POINTING OUT HOW FAR AWAY FROM BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY WE HAVE FALLEN, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ONE AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, READ FOR YOURSELVES HOW, WHEN ISRAEL HAD KEPT SINNING AGAINST GOD, HOW HIS JUDGEMENT WAS SENT AGAINST THEM IN THE FORM OF TWO THINGS: 1) THE GODLY MALE LEADERSHIP WAS, FOR THE MOST PART, TAKEN AWAY AND 2) IT WAS REPLACED BY A SOCIETY RUN BY CHILDREN AND WOMEN!
READ THE PRONOUNCED JUDGEMENT OF OUR RIGHTEOUS GOD, AS FOUND IN ISAIAH 3:1- 4:1. READ IT FOR YOURSELVES, LOOK AT OUR SOCIETY TODAY, AND WEEP TEARS OF REPENTANCE BEFORE A HOLY GOD WHO HAS PRONOUNCED THE SAME JUDGEMENT AGAINST THE U.S.!